For Science Students

[teachyourself]

Teachyourself ,why are you wasting your time here ???

i have addressed this issue previously in this thread

When you know, no one here will believe you..Just quit
Rather than wasting your time here and telling everyone stupid facts , when you can't even prove your stupid atheist facts...
You are just wasting your time, telling people there is no God just because you can't see one..

i am simply saying there is no proof of god, i do not care whether people change their minds or not and that is not the only issue being discussed here, do your research before making a statement

stupid facts??? a fact is a fact, that is all it is, i have given the links to the research so your claim ".... can't even prove your stupid atheist facts..." is pretty much contradictory in itself

 

[teachyourself]

Let people follow what they love!

i am letting people follow their religion but when someone makes an unsupported claim, i will correct it

You atheists can't prove creation, giving irrelevant facts...

prove creation?? you need to be clearer ... i am pretty sure your statement/query can be satisfied in the previous messages of this thread

 

[Muzammil ahmad]

Lol ....
How can you prove that you have a brain then?
Can you see it??

 

[Muzammil ahmad]

Just because humans can't see anything above stars doesn't mean there is no god

 

[teachyourself]

Lol ....
How can you prove that you have a brain then?
Can you see it??

yes, in an MRI and a CAT scan, similar questions have been answered in this thread

 

[teachyourself]

Just because humans can't see anything above stars doesn't mean there is no god

this issue has been answered thoroughly in this thread please read the previous messages

 

[Muzammil ahmad]

No ,I meant without them .
Can you see your brain without using any scanners.
If not then how can you see god when humans do not even know what lives in mars and in other planets?
Humans do not even know what lies in the entire galaxy.
No human has even reached the galaxy..

 

[teachyourself]

No ,I meant without them .
Can you see your brain without using any scanners.
If not then how can you see god when humans do not even know what lives in mars and in other planets?
Humans do not even know what lies in the entire galaxy.
No human has even reached the galaxy..

technology is used to observe all things that cannot be seen by the naked eye

yes human beings do not know a lot, that is why research is done to find out for sure, instead of just simply believing

we cannot see god nor is there any clear evidence of god, so we have to conclude god doesn't exist

all these questions have been answered, you are not adding anything new to the discussion, read the previous messages in this thread

but if you still want to believe in god, go ahead, it is your problem

 

[Muzammil ahmad]

Yeah ..
If we all could see god easily then what was the purpose of our creation.
God created us so that he could test us.
Just look at your body and tell me without god would it be possible for humans to have such a perfect body...
Heart ,brain DNA eyes etc..
Come on... No one is that blind ...

 

[teachyourself]

Yeah ..
If we all could see god easily then what was the purpose of our creation.
God created us so that he could test us.
Just look at your body and tell me without god would it be possible for humans to have such a perfect body...
Heart ,brain DNA eyes etc..
Come on... No one is that blind ...

i have given enough links and have posted enough messages in this thread to address your questions, if you are interested in a discussion please read every message from the start of this thread, after that if you still feel your questions have not been answered feel free to ask your questions

what you are saying basically falls into the "Intelligent Design vs Evolution" argument and the related question "Why are we here/What is our purpose/etc", i have addressed these in this thread and there have a LOT of discussion by people with far greater information that I have, there are literally hours of debates, i encourage you to check them on youtube

 

[Muzammil ahmad]

Read all of that and wasnt justified by irrelevant facts..lol

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

democracies of the modern world do not argue over issues of chopping off hands, punishing homosexuals/bisexuals, punishing pre-marital sex, having slaves, child marriages, renouncing religious affiliation, etc because they are civilized and have already decided upon such matters not that religious nuts aren't there but they are truly a minority because the fundamentals of judiasm and christianity in terms of legal significance have simply been rejected

Take it easy man, hold on .We r still discussing the prophet's marriage and women's right in islam

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

god as per your definition is nothing more than a figment of your imagination, so he is not real, what cannot be proven to exist does not exist

WRONG.... want better explanation..feel free to tell me

history clearly shows and it can be concluded through research and investigation also that the man of the past and even pre-historic man was aware of a higher being (who is named as God or any other name) and he humbled before Him and worshipped Him and performed various rituals to seek His pleasure.

Now the question arises, that how man in the beginning became attentive to God? What was the cause that turned his thinking to God? Which factor made him inclined to go out in search of the creator of universe? What is the aim and cause of this view? Basically which factor was effective in compelling man to think about God and God-worship and to contemplate on these lines?

Replies to these questions are possible if one puts in a little effort: Human beings possess an instinct called as the instinct of finding out the cause of every phenomenon. Since the first day, man was aware of causation and he searched for the cause of every phenomenon and every needful existing being. If he became hungry, he went in search of food, because he considered eating as a cause of removal of hunger. If he became thirsty, he went in search of water, as he considered drinking water to be the cause of removing thirst. If he heard a sound from behind the wall, he became certain that it had a cause and went to find it. If he fell ill, he knew that it was as a result of a cause and he went out in search of its cure. In order to escape cold, he took refuge with heat, since he considered heat to be the cause of removing cold.

Seeking the cause and inquisitiveness is placed in the nature of all human beings. Every man is always trying to become aware of causes. Therefore, with regard to every phenomenon, the question, “Why and for what reason” arises. He always tries to satisfy his sense of curiosity through satisfactory replies.

Man is basically a ‘seeker of cause’ and he cannot give up this instinct or ignore it. All human beings – especially the earliest man – were having this natural instinct. Man lived in this world and was confronted by incidents and astonishing phenomena; the change of days and nights, summer and winter, movement of moon, sun and stars, peculiarities of animals and plants, lofty mountains, vast seas, flowing water bodies…he saw all of this with his eyes and fell into contemplation and asked himself: What is the cause of this world and who has brought it into existence? This universe must definitely be having a cause and the wise and powerful creator has created it and He is controlling it.

In this way, the earliest man became cognizant of Almighty Allah and confessed to his existence, and humbled himself before His greatness and in brief it can be said that seeking God is in the nature of man.

Although a group has fallen into doubts and became involved in worship of false deities and gradually sun worship, moon worship, fire worship and star worship…also appeared in human beings.

However the appearance of false deities is itself proof that man paid attention to his innate nature of seeking cause and concluded that a cause was necessary to control this world. But he fell into misunderstandings with regard to other aspects and considered false gods to be the cause and considered them as true creators, and became involved in their adoration.

In short, it can be said that man searches for the cause of all existing things and phenomena through natural instinct placed in his nature and in this way, he reaches up to Almighty Allah, who is the final cause of all things and One to whom all are needful. In this way, His being is revealed to them and they begin to worship Him.

Quran also considers seeking God to be an innate nature and says:

وَلَئِن سَأَلْتَهُم مَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ لَيَقُولُنَّ خَلَقَهُنَّ الْعَزِيزُ الْعَلِيمُ‏

“And if you should ask them, Who created the heavens and the earth? they would most certainly say: The Mighty, the Knowing One, has created them…” (43/9)

And says:

وَلَئِن سَأَلْتَهُم مَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَ الْقَمَرَ لَيَقُولُنَّ اللَّهُ فَأَنَّى‏ يُؤْفَكُونَ

“And if you ask them, Who created the heavens and the earth and made the sun and the moon subservient, they will certainly say, Allah. Whence are they then turned away?” (29:61)

Then He says:

وَ لَئِنْ سَأَلْتَهُمْ مَنْ نَزَّلَ مِنَ السَّماءِ ماءً فَأَحْيا بِهِ الْأَرْضَ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَوْتِها لَيَقُولُنَّ اللَّهُ قُلِ الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لا يَعْقِلُونَ

“And if you ask them Who is it that sends down water from the clouds, then gives life to the earth with it after its death, they will certainly say, Allah. Say: All praise is due to Allah. Nay, most of them do not understand.” (29:63)

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

Evidences for existence of God
Knowing God according to the Holy Quran
The Holy Quran has used many simple and very basic techniques to prove the existence of God; methods, which are nice as well as easy to understand for everyone. This style is not complex and difficult like the reasonings employed by philosophy, that it may not be understood by all. This most simple method does not require prefaces and advanced learning.

Every person can benefit from it in accordance with his or her awareness and knowledge. That simple and beautiful method is called as ‘evidence of order’ that awakens the innate natures of seeking God. Therefore study and contemplation on the secrets and peculiarities of the created world is one of the best ways of knowing God.

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

continued....
In a large number of verses, Quran has mentioned examples of the astonishing aspects of universe and wants man to think in the right way and to conclude the existence and being of the Almighty Allah from the order and compatibility. According to Quran, each phenomenon of the world is a divine sign (Ayah). Ayah implies a sign or a mark. If man sees the phenomena of the world as they are, he would begin to believe in existence of their creator; although Quran is not a book of natural science that it may discuss secrets of the phenomena of the world in detail and expose them to man. But it has mentioned in brief their astonishing aspects only to prove the existence of the maker of Universe so that it may awaken the minds of those who have the faculty of thinking; and that it may call their attention so that they may discuss and be curious about the exposition of astonishing secrets of Nature and in this way they may begin to have faith in the creator of the world. In addition to this, they may also benefit to secure the needs of life and inhabit the world.

That is why it can be said that the science of knowing man, knowing animals, knowing plants, knowing lands, knowing space, physics and chemistry are the best ways to know God.

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

The scientific story of creation of life is just one example of how the Holy Quran convinces its readers that no human on this Planet could have authored this Book. Many of the scientific facts revealed became known only in the last century or so. The Messenger of God, Prophet Muhammed (Peace and blessings of God be upon him) was an illiterate man. It was impossible for him or for any other human being 1428 years ago to know about such facts.

Examples of Verses Including Scientific Facts Just Explained or Discovered Recently

Some of the Quran verses explain facts about Earth, humans, and other creatures.

1. For example, in Verse 55: 33, there is an invitation for humans to fly, indicating the possibility of flying, more than 1428 years ago.

يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ (الرحمن ، 55: 33)

O You jinn and men, if you can penetrate zones of the heavens and the Earth, then penetrate! You will never penetrate them except with power (Al-Ra'hman, 55: 33).

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

The Holy Quran tells us that there is intelligent life in outer space, where Allah (Praise to Him) is also worshipped and glorified.

وَلَهُ ۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلأرۡضِ‌ۖ ڪُلٌّ۬ لَّهُ ۥ قَـٰنِتُونَ (الروم ، 30: 26).

To Him belongs whom are in the heavens and the Earth, all are devoutly obedient to Him (Al-Room, 30: 26).

In Verse 3: 83, Allah, praise to Him, also tells us about life in outer space saying:

أفَغَيۡرَ دِينِ ٱللَّهِ يَبۡغُونَ وَلَهُ ۥۤ أَسۡلَمَ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلأرۡضِ طَوۡعً۬ا وَڪَرۡهً۬ا وَإِلَيۡهِ يُرۡجَعُونَ (آل عمران ، 3: 83).

Do they want other than the Religion of Allah? While (all) who are in the heavens and the Earth have willingly, or unwillingly, submitted to Him (as Muslims do), and to Him shall they be returned (Al-Imran, 3: 83).

إِن كُلُّ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ إِلَّا آتِي الرَّحْمَـٰنِ عَبْدًا

لَّقَدْ أَحْصَاهُمْ وَعَدَّهُمْ عَدًّا

وَكُلُّهُمْ آتِيهِ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فَرْدًا (مريم ، 19: 93-95).

In Verses 19: 93-95, Allah, praise to Him, also says:

There is none in the heavens and the Earth but comes (on the Day of Judgment) to the Beneficent (Allah) as a (helpless) slave.

He does take an account of them, and has counted them exactly.

And all of them (are coming to Him) on the Day of Resurrection individually (alone) (Maryam, 19: 92-95).

In Verse 24: 41, Allah, praise to Him, also says:

أَلَمۡ تَرَ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُسَبِّحُ لَهُ ۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلأًرۡضِ وَٱلطَّيۡرُ صَـٰٓفَّـٰتٍ۬‌ۖ كُلٌّ۬ قَدۡ عَلِمَ صلاتَهُ ۥ وَتَسۡبِيحَهُ ۥ‌ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمُۢ بِمَا يَفۡعَلُونَ (النور ، 24: 41).

Do not you see that Allah is praised by whoever in the heavens and the Earth, and (that) the birds are flying in lines? Each (category of creatures) knows its own prayer and praise. And Allah knows that they do.

3. Earth is described as egg-shaped (not a perfect circular globe), a fact which was discovered recently in the human history, as stated in Verse 79: 30:

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا (النازعات ، 79: 30).

And the Earth, after that, He made it egg-shaped (Al-Nazi'at, 79: 30).

The noun "da'hya" is used by North African Arabs in reference to an "egg." The author heard it by himself in the early 1970s in Libya. Other translators missed the meaning of the verb (da'haha, دَحَٮٰهَآ) translating it into "extended."

4. In Verses 16: 68-69, we are told that it is the female bee that makes honey, a very recent bit of knowledge for humans. We know now that male bees die after mating with the queen and live only for about 90 days. Only female bees survive to be the workers, which gather nectar and make honey. This bit of knowledge could never be known to humans before the invention and use of microscopes. It is another piece of evidence that the author of the Holy Quran could never be a human being about 1428 years ago. Rather, He is the All Knowledgeable One.

وَأَوْحَىٰ رَبُّكَ إِلَى النَّحْلِ أَنِ اتَّخِذِي مِنَ الْجِبَالِ بُيُوتًا وَمِنَ الشَّجَرِ وَمِمَّا يَعْرِشُونَ

ثُمَّ كُلِي مِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ فَاسْلُكِي سُبُلَ رَبِّكِ ذُلُلًا ۚ يَخْرُجُ مِن بُطُونِهَا شَرَابٌ مُّخْتَلِفٌ أَلْوَانُهُ فِيهِ شِفَاءٌ لِّلنَّاسِ ۗ إِنَّ فِي ذَٰلِكَ لَآيَةً لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ (النحل ، 16: 68-69).

And your Lord inspired the female bees to take (build) its houses (hives) on mountains, trees, and in (people's) gardens

Then (you female bee) eat from all the fruits and (you female bee) follow the ways of your Lord laid down (for you). There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing (cure) for people. In that, (there) is a sign for a people who give thought (Al-Na'hl, 16: 68-69).

In dealing with Verse 16: 68, some translators did not pay attention to the feminine form of the Arabic verb (اتَّخِذِي), which refers to female bees in particular, not bees in general. The same meaning is confirmed in Verse 69, in verbs (كُلِي), which means "you female bee eat," and verb (فَاسْلُكِي), which means "you female bee follow."

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

5. In Verse 27: 18, there is a reference to a female ant speaking to other ants, which is also a recent bit of knowledge. We know now that male ants die after mating with the queen and only female ants survive to be the workers, just like the case with bees mentioned above. This bit of knowledge could never be known to humans before the invention and use of microscopes and the advanced studies in biology.

ققَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّمْلُ ادْخُلُوا مَسَاكِنَكُمْ ۡ (النمل ، 27: 18).

" ... a female ant said: "O you ants enter your dwellings" (Al-Nahl, 27: 18).

Several translators, also in this verse, did not pay attention to the feminine form of the Arabic noun (نَمْلَةٌ), which refers to "a singular female ant."

6. Verse 24: 40, provides us with an accurate description of deep waters in the ocean, where darkness prevails. Nobody could dive deep enough in the ocean more than 1400 years ago and come back to tell about what he saw there. Only the One who has created Earth and its oceans could know. For us, Philippe Causteau and his crew showed us some videos about only some parts of the ocean depth, in the 1980s.

أوۡ كَظُلُمَـٰتٍ۬ فِى بَحۡرٍ۬ لُّجِّىٍّ۬ يَغۡشَٮٰهُ مَوۡجٌ۬ مِّن فَوۡقِهِۦ مَوۡجٌ۬ مِّن فَوۡقِهِۦ سَحَابٌ۬‌ۚ ظُلُمَـٰتُۢ بَعۡضُہَا فَوۡقَ بَعۡضٍ إِذَآ أَخۡرَجَ يَدَهُ ۥ لَمۡ يَكَدۡ يَرَٮٰهَا‌ۗ وَمَن لَّمۡ يَجۡعَلِ ٱللَّهُ لَهُ ۥ نُورً۬ا فَمَا لَهُ ۥ مِن نُّورٍ (النور ، 24: 40).

Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like layers of darkness in a vast deep ocean overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by clouds: Layers of darkness,one above another, if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! For anyone to whom Allah does not make light, he has no light (Al-Noor, 24: 40).

7. In Verse 24: 43, Allah, praise to Him, vividly describes the water cycle, from winds to clouds, then to rain. He says:

ألَمۡ تَرَ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُزۡجِى سَحَابً۬ا ثُمَّ يُؤَلِّفُ بَيۡنَهُ ۥ ثُمَّ يَجۡعَلُهُ ۥ رُكَامً۬ا فَتَرَى ٱلۡوَدۡقَ يَخۡرُجُ مِنۡ خِلَـٰلِهِۦ وَيُنَزِّلُ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ مِن جِبَالٍ۬ فِيہَا مِنۢ بَرَدٍ۬ فَيُصِيبُ بِهِۦ مَن يَشَآءُ وَيَصۡرِفُهُ ۥ عَن مَّن يَشَآءُ‌ۖ يَكَادُ سَنَا بَرۡقِهِۦ يَذۡهَبُ بِٱلأًبۡصَـٰرِ (النور ، 24: 43).

Do not you see that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? Then, you will see rain coming out of it. And He sends down hail from the sky mountains (of clouds). He strikes with it whom He wills and He turns it away from whom He wills. The vivid flash of its lightning is close to blinding the sights (of people) (Al-Noor, 24: 43).

In Verse 30: 48, Allah, praise to Him, also says:

ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِى يُرۡسِلُ ٱلرِّيَـٰحَ فَتُثِيرُ سَحَابً۬ا فَيَبۡسُطُهُ ۥ فِى ٱلسَّمَآءِ كَيۡفَ يَشَآءُ وَيَجۡعَلُهُ ۥ كِسَفً۬ا فَتَرَى ٱلۡوَدۡقَ يَخۡرُجُ مِنۡ خِلَـٰلِهِۦ‌ۖ فَإِذَآ أَصَابَ بِهِۦ مَن يَشَآءُ مِنۡ عِبَادِهِۦۤ إِذَا هُمۡ يَسۡتَبۡشِرُونَ (الروم ، 30: 48).

It is Allah Who sends the Winds, and they raise the Clouds. Then, He spreads them in the sky as He wills, and break them into fragments, until you see rain-drops coming out from the midst of it. When He makes them reach whoever He wills of his servants, then they rejoice! (Al-Room, 30: 48).

8. In Verse 20: 53, we read in the Holy Quran that Allah (Praise to Him) has created plants in pairs (male and female) in order for plant reproductive activities to happen leading to giving us the fruits we enjoy on this Planet.

This pairing can be found in two separate plants producing the same fruit (such as date-palm trees), or in two different flowers in the same plant (such as cucumbers), or in the same flower containing male and female organs (pistils and stamens).

وَأَنزَلَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ مَآءً۬ فَأَخۡرَجۡنَا بِهِۦۤ أَزۡوَٲجً۬ا مِّن نَّبَاتٍ۬ شَتَّىٰ (طه ، 20: 53).

"... and (God) has sent down water from the sky. With it, We have produced diverse pairs of plants (Taha, 20: 53).

In Verse 13: 3, Allah, praise to Him, says:

وَمِن كُلِّ ٱلثَّمَرَٲتِ جَعَلَ فِيہَا زَوۡجَيۡنِ ٱثۡنَيۡنِ‌ۖ (الرعد ، 13: 3).

"and of all fruits, He made in them pairs, two each (a male and a female) (Al-Ra'd, 13: 3).

In Verse 31: 10, Allah, praise to Him, also says:

وَأَنزَلۡنَا مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ مَآءً۬ فَأَنۢبَتۡنَا فِيہَا مِن ڪُلِّ زَوۡجٍ۬ كَرِيمٍ (لقمان ، 31: 10).

We send down water from the sky, (in order that) We cause goodly pairs to grow out of it (of earth) (Luqman, 31: 10).

In Verse 36: 36, Allah, praise to Him, also says:

سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَزْوَاجَ كُلَّهَا مِمَّا تُنبِتُ الْأَرْضُ وَمِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمِمَّا لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (يس ، 36: 36).

Glory to Him, Who created all pairs, of what the earth produces, of themselves (humans), and of others unknown to them (Ya Seen, 36: 36).

9. In Verse 11: 7, Allah praise to Him stated that His Throne was on water before He created the heavens and the Earth. So, water preceded the formation of our solar system, as scientists concluded in their most recent research.

وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاءِ (هود ، 11: 7).

And it is He who created the heavens and the Earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water (Hood, 11: 7 of the Holy Quran).

10. In Verse 21: 30, Allah, praise to Him, tells us that the heavens and the Earth were a joined entity, and He splintered (separated) them and that He created every living thing (in them) out of water, which was already there.

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ (الأنبياء ، 21: 30).

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the Earth were a joined entity, and We splintered (separated) them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? (Al-Anbiya, 21: 30 of the Holy Quran).

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

WRONG, no excuse for this chauvinistic crap

This is the most authentic tradition, compiled by bukhari and Bukharis's hadith are considered second in authenticity after the quran

Islam has made it vital that the permission of the spouses must be taken as the Prophet (S) said "Seek the permission of women with regard to marriage" . The Prophet (S) forbade forcing women into marriage and annulled such marriages.
Periviously you have mentioned some cultural problems .You just forget what people are doing and on the religion it self. What am i to do if people are forcing their girls to marry at a very young age, is it written in the quran that girls are a financial burden so they should be married as soon as possible?? Or that she has to produce kids the as soon as possible.
You do not bring up matters of societies injustices since i am concerned only with my religion

 

[teachyourself]

Read all of that and wasnt justified by irrelevant facts..lol

if the facts do not convince you then they don't, it is your problem