For Science Students

[teachyourself]

The miracles in the quran are just signs, pieces of evidence to encourage people to have faith in Allah,No one follows anything blindly and inly the people of understanding will understand these signs, not people like u who have so much junk of science in their head that they can no longer think straight
we can actually learn science and we study science till our death day.. but what r we doing to get out of it . Will we get to our purpose of here. what are we doing on this planet-NO! ... we simply need to think a bit outside the scope of science.

nope signs are NOT evidence, infact they are not even signs, just vague words that can mean anything a person wants them to mean

hahhh.... junk of science... hahahh

we can actually learn science and we study science till our death day.. but what r we doing to get out of it . Will we get to our purpose of here. what are we doing on this planet-NO! ... we simply need to think a bit outside the scope of science.

we give our lives the purpose we want, for that science is not needed but it does help with that

-- this is exactly how i give purpose to my life, i could not have said it better

In financial matters men are better and they are better in maths than women.One fact mentioned in the quran and now recognized is that all things are created in pairs.Had there been a similar function for all, the creation of two counterparts would not have been necessary.To ignore inherent physical and physiological differences is surely unrealistic. The creation of male and female means a natural division of function.thats why some rulings may be seen to favor men, many others favor women

what???? this approach is the reason women are in such a pathetic state, research has proven that with training women and men think a like, it is a matter of training the brain, the brain changes right till the day we die

the pairs observation was made loooongggg before islam claim along

U SHOULD STUDY THE LIFE OF THE PROPHET

been there done that

 

[teachyourself]

they are not forced !!. I have reached puberty , no ones marring me off and know one does, u have just got a stereotypical image

i am not here to discuss the problems of the society. You're not judging islam the right way. If people are doing wrong than there matter is with Allah.and each and everyone of us will be accountable for what ever we used to do. If you want to know the right teaching study the life of the prophet and the book
the permission of guardian is there not to undermine the women, but just so that both of them remain happy.Again a girl can not be forced to marry!

firstly, how on earth could anyone even support the idea of even allowing the marriage of a girl as soon as she hits puberty, it is plain simple wrong, there is no defense for this, it is something that any decent person/religion would FORBID as it is forbidden in modern civilised parts of the world not allow it

not forced? really?? when the permission is with the guardian and when a child is being married, do you think that she will be NOT be brain washed and manipulated or forced or her independence be taken away from her to make her own choice, marrying a child!! how can you even try to justify such a monstrous act

i have not misunderstood islam via the actions of people but i have understood the verses and the interpretations by scholars

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

nope signs are NOT evidence, infact they are not even signs, just vague words that can mean anything a person wants them to mean

Signs are evidence but evidence is not proof

 

[teachyourself]

Signs are evidence but evidence is not proof

you are wrong
sign = an object, quality, or event whose presence or occurrence indicates the probable presence or occurrence of something else.
evidence = the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
proof = evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.

however, in science things are always open to questioning/challenge if new evidence comes along, so there is no single proof in science (at-least most of the time as issues being dealt with are becoming more challenging) even though there are Laws but if evidence is found to the contrary then the law can be challenged

hence, the term "un-rejected hypothesis"

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

firstly, how on earth could anyone even support the idea of even allowing the marriage of a girl as soon as she hits puberty, it is plain simple wrong, there is no defense for this, it is something that any decent person/religion would FORBID as it is forbidden in modern civilised parts of the world not allow it

Marrige is not a joke in islam it is very sacred that even the male adult is forbidden from marrying two or more women if he know s he won’t be able to be just with them. Islam does not permit carelessness and irresponsibility in marriage, because through marriage the muslim society’s new generation is made.Ans marriage itself is not an easy burden since it’s a lifetime commitment.

For girls, maturity may be defined as follows: 'A girl's ability to manage a good life, her level of acceptance of the responsibility of motherhood and child-rearing, as well as her appropriateness in social behavior.'

The prime age of marriage for girls, would also depend on their mental and psychological maturity. It may be possible that in some cases by the age of 14, a girl may be mature enough to shoulder the responsibility of family-life and motherhood, but a woman of 30 may not yet be mature enough to do so!

Therefore, what is important in determining the ripe age for marriage is one's own level of maturity and readiness, whether one has reached the legal age for marriage or not! It would be very naive to ignore geographical and regional conditions and norms, as well as the needs of the youth of the day, and such negligence could lead to many problems.

In the present world, with the greater intermingling between sexes, better nutrition, educational facilities and more awareness due to advanced mass media, children are reaching "maturity" much earlier than ever before; and considering these factors, raising the legal age for marriage for boys and girls is quite unjustifiable.

The Noble Prophet (S) has said: "Virgin girls are like fruits on trees. If not plucked in time, the sun will rot them and the wind will disperse them. When girls reach maturity and their sexual instincts arise, like that of women, their only remedy is marriage. If they aren't married, they are prone to moral corruption. It is because they are human beings and human beings are prone to making mistakes."

There is a very subtle message in this saying of the Prophet (S). Just as there is proper timing for plucking fruits, there is a proper age for marriage, for every girl. A girl who cannot understand and shoulder the responsibility of married-life is like a raw fruit that needs to remain on the tree (i.e. her father's home) until it ripens and sweetens. On the other hand if a girl loses the freshness of youth while yet unmarried, then she is like an over-ripe fruit that would further wither away, as the time passes.

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

not forced? really?? when the permission is with the guardian and when a child is being married, do you think that she will be NOT be brain washed and manipulated or forced or her independence be taken away from her to make her own choice, marrying a child!! how can you even try to justify such a monstrous act

In islam both the choice of the guardian and the girl is considered. If anyone of them is not happy with the choice the other makes , it becomes unfair and one the core teachings of islam is to care about the feelings of others esp. the ones who are close to you and one should respect there opinion. The father would definitely not want something bad for her girl, after all he bought her up , feed her from childhood, provided her with education, fulfilled her needs and requirements , not only that! they share beautiful memories and there is a strong bond b/w them. and now when the girl decides to marry a person of her choice ... would she then forget about her guardian, and neglect him just for the sake of love, in some cases blind love.
There is a wisdom behind Allah's commandants and the laws He has set for man kind, because he knows better his creation then we know ourselves
Therefore the girl should consult her family on who she is going to live her life with, because this is not a joke and on the other hand the family/guardian should too compromise and respects the girls decision. this way none of then will have a grudge against the other in their heart which would help them all and esp. the girl to live an emotionally stable life

 

[teachyourself]

Marrige is not a joke in islam it is very sacred that even the male adult is forbidden from marrying two or more women if he know s he won’t be able to be just with them. Islam does not permit carelessness and irresponsibility in marriage, because through marriage the muslim society’s new generation is made.Ans marriage itself is not an easy burden since it’s a lifetime commitment.

Yea islam doesn’t permit, it does matter what it permits people are gonna use loopholes to exploit other people

For girls, maturity may be defined as follows: 'A girl's ability to manage a good life, her level of acceptance of the responsibility of motherhood and child-rearing, as well as her appropriateness in social behavior.'

The prime age of marriage for girls, would also depend on their mental and psychological maturity. It may be possible that in some cases by the age of 14, a girl may be mature enough to shoulder the responsibility of family-life and motherhood, but a woman of 30 may not yet be mature enough to do so!

so you ARE justifying sex with underage girls, HOW????

so how will determine if a guy can or cannot take care wives? money is not the only criteria and if you question his mental state he can easily refuse, bribe, etc, in the real world it is simply not applicable

how can you determine the mental and physical maturity of a girl? there is NO CRITERIA to determine this and as cruel as religious people are they are very likely to misuse it more than anything, remember islam says whenever puberty happens, it can 9 or 15, there is NO WAY a girl or a boy can be ready for adult responsibilities

read the research the damage sex with an adult can do to children, their brains are simply not equipped to handle it

having sex with an adult from the age of 9 to 15?? Are you insane???

giving birth to a child at the age of 9 to 15??? Have you lost your mind child????

mental maturity and responsibility ranging from the age of 9 to 15????

the only reason you are even considering this is because you have LITERALLY NO IDEA about the real world, you are simply too young

whoever has brainwashed you, as i know from personal experience how manipulative religious people can be and how difficult it is to get rid of religious dogma, i suggest you REJECT those insane people and start thinking for yourself

Therefore, what is important in determining the ripe age for marriage is one's own level of maturity and readiness, whether one has reached the legal age for marriage or not!

the RIPE AGE???? of a girl, have you been living in a CAVE? it is this very mentality that has kept girls in the gutter of patriarchal dominance, healthy women can have children late into their lives, and what is more important is the freedom of the child to grow up and decide for herself, to become independent, to contribute to society

It would be very naive to ignore geographical and regional conditions and norms, as well as the needs of the youth of the day, and such negligence could lead to many problems.

if you are talking about teenagers having sex? Then you EDUCATE CHILDREN about the dangers of unprotected sex, teen pregnancies and about discipline (yes they will make mistakes and then they will learn) you do NOT marry them off

and do not condemn masturbation because they will do it in any case, it is natural to let the hormones subside as they do during masturbation, with masturbation teenagers will let off sexual steam and NOT have sex

marrying children is NOT a solution

I have heard of this crap before and I know a religious zealot is definitely telling you about this crap, it is sad that these insane people would brain wash children like you into a justification for a monstrous act instead of letting you think for yourself

In the present world, with the greater intermingling between sexes, better nutrition, educational facilities and more awareness due to advanced mass media, children are reaching "maturity" much earlier than ever before; and considering these factors, raising the legal age for marriage for boys and girls is quite unjustifiable.

NO!! are you insane?? Have you ever raised a child (changing diapers does NOT count) and provided for one?? Access to media does not make you more mature, even if you think about real life questions at a young age like that kid in the video, it can no way prepare you for the responsibilities of adulthood the brain matures till mid 30s and exposure to real life makes most people sensible by 40, there again hormones and brain development play a role

The girls who are having puberty early are the ones who are obese it is leading to an imbalance NOT maturity

If these arguments are not yours, then the idiot who is giving you these arguments is a moronic housewife at best with NO EXPOSURE to the real world or a VERY manipulative, disgusting, pedophilic mullah

The Noble Prophet (S) has said: "Virgin girls are like fruits on trees. If not plucked in time, the sun will rot them and the wind will disperse them. When girls reach maturity and their sexual instincts arise, like that of women, their only remedy is marriage. If they aren't married, they are prone to moral corruption. It is because they are human beings and human beings are prone to making mistakes."

There is a very subtle message in this saying of the Prophet (S). Just as there is proper timing for plucking fruits, there is a proper age for marriage, for every girl. A girl who cannot understand and shoulder the responsibility of married-life is like a raw fruit that needs to remain on the tree (i.e. her father's home) until it ripens and sweetens. On the other hand if a girl loses the freshness of youth while yet unmarried, then she is like an over-ripe fruit that would further wither away, as the time passes.

Good luck listening to a guy who had sex with a child

When they have sexual instincts they are supposed to masturbate NOT get married

Moral corruption?? Masturbation is wrong? But sex with a child is okay???

Raw fruit??? It is a PERSON you are talking about

This is how islam liberates women? By treating them as sexual objects that must obey under the guise of so called protection, instead of empowering them physically, mentally, giving them education, preventing pedophiles from having sex with them through marriage

 

[teachyourself]

In islam both the choice of the guardian and the girl is considered. If anyone of them is not happy with the choice the other makes , it becomes unfair and one the core teachings of islam is to care about the feelings of others esp. the ones who are close to you and one should respect there opinion. The father would definitely not want something bad for her girl, after all he bought her up , feed her from childhood, provided her with education, fulfilled her needs and requirements , not only that! they share beautiful memories and there is a strong bond b/w them. and now when the girl decides to marry a person of her choice ... would she then forget about her guardian, and neglect him just for the sake of love, in some cases blind love.
There is a wisdom behind Allah's commandants and the laws He has set for man kind, because he knows better his creation then we know ourselves
Therefore the girl should consult her family on who she is going to live her life with, because this is not a joke and on the other hand the family/guardian should too compromise and respects the girls decision. this way none of then will have a grudge against the other in their heart which would help them all and esp. the girl to live an emotionally stable life

hahha you would be surprised how foolish, selfish and misguided parents can be, again this lack of understanding is because of your young age and lack of experience along with parental brain washing

even if a father wants what is best for his daughter, once a daughter becomes a woman it will be entirely her call, this is what true empowerment of women is like, her exposure to the men of her generation will be far sharper and more close to reality then an outdated parent's exposure can ever be

as for wisdom and experience, that can easily be substituted with relevant experience, control over stress hormones like cortisol, adrenaline, the lymbic system of the brain and stopping to think (for 3 to 5 seconds) clearly no matter how emotionally charged an individual is, this is done by being exposed to voluminous reading of sensible material, being exposed gradually to adult responsibilities while living like a regular teenager, it takes years but in the end it is worth it

https://web.stanford.edu/group/sparklab/pdf/Tarullo, Obradovic, Gunnar (2009, 0-3) Self-Control and the Developing Brain.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182916/
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/may/31/why-teenagers-cant-concentrate-brains
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo.../training-the-brain-control-negative-emotions
http://www.edinformatics.com/news/teenage_brains.htm
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ways-get-your-unwanted-emotions-under-control

and that "buzergoun ke akal" crap is the worst thing on the face of this earth, making children book smart and street smart by giving exposure to responsibilities is the only way to go about it, that is what real parenting is about and it is difficult to say the least

getting rid of daughters because they are seen as a burden is that typical "buzergoun ke akal" (wisdom of elders) crap, you will realize this years down the road, most of my friends who got married off by their parents at 19 or 20 regret every facet of their lives, and wish every single miserable day of their lives that they had freedom of choice and were not raised like cattle to be married off as they were

that "buzergoun ke akal" also says "jaldi jaldi bacha paida karlo, ghar wasana hai" (have children as soon as possible so that you can settle down) what a disgusting reason to have a child and rearing children is another way to kill a woman's independence, do these chauvinistic idiots ever wonder what would happen to their children, if they themselves (husbands) die to leave their wives (with no exposure to the real world) to provide for AND manage children, and support of relatives does NOT cut it, it is rarely good enough, the families of religious nuts tend to be emotional/un-civilised idiots in any case

what is better? an independent woman who doesn't need a man to depend upon and to take care of her children or a bloody goat of a mother who knows nothing about the real world

good luck to you kid because you will regret it like many others

you do not know how many times parents marry off their daughters to people with money and how often those people turn out to be insane wife beaters, child molesters and murderers

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

Khansa Bint Khidam said “My father married me to his nephew, and I did not like this match, so I complained to the Messenger of Allah (May Allah bless him and grant him peace). He said to me “accept what your father has arranged.” I said “I do not wish to accept what my father has arranged.”

He said “then this marriage is invalid, go and marry whomever you wish.” I said “I have accepted what my father has arranged, but I wanted women to know that fathers have no right in their daughter’s matters (i.e. they have no right to force a marriage on them). (Fathul Bari Sharah Al Bukhari 9/194, Ibn Majah Kitabun Nikah 1/602)

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

hahha you would be surprised how foolish, selfish and misguided parents can be, again this lack of understanding is because of your young age and lack of experience along with parental brain washing

you do not know how many times parents marry off their daughters to people with money and how often those people turn out to be insane wife beaters, child molesters and murderers

getting rid of daughters because they are seen as a burden is that typical "buzergoun ke akal" (wisdom of elders) crap, you will realize this years down the road, most of my friends who got married off by their parents at 19 or 20 regret every facet of their lives, and wish every single miserable day of their lives that they had freedom of choice and were not raised like cattle to be married off as they were

If people are doing wrong does'nt mean the religion is wrong..this life is just a test and each and everyone who has caused others pain and made them suffer will be punished.

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

This is how islam liberates women? By treating them as sexual objects that must obey under the guise of so called protection, instead of empowering them physically, mentally, giving them education, preventing pedophiles from having sex with them through marriage

Oh God! Is there any thing left for u to say!?
I have to give u a full lecture now

 

[Ayesha Asif333]

so you ARE justifying sex with underage girls, HOW????

so how will determine if a guy can or cannot take care wives? money is not the only criteria and if you question his mental state he can easily refuse, bribe, etc, in the real world it is simply not applicable

how can you determine the mental and physical maturity of a girl? there is NO CRITERIA to determine this and as cruel as religious people are they are very likely to misuse it more than anything, remember islam says whenever puberty happens, it can 9 or 15, there is NO WAY a girl or a boy can be ready for adult responsibilities

read the research the damage sex with an adult can do to children, their brains are simply not equipped to handle it

having sex with an adult from the age of 9 to 15?? Are you insane???

giving birth to a child at the age of 9 to 15??? Have you lost your mind child????

mental maturity and responsibility ranging from the age of 9 to 15????

the only reason you are even considering this is because you have LITERALLY NO IDEA about the real world, you are simply too young

whoever has brainwashed you, as i know from personal experience how manipulative religious people can be and how difficult it is to get rid of religious dogma, i suggest you REJECT those insane people and start thinking for yourself

I have heard of this crap before and I know a religious zealot is definitely telling you about this crap, it is sad that these insane people would brain wash children like you into a justification for a monstrous act instead of letting you think for yourself

If these arguments are not yours, then the idiot who is giving you these arguments is a moronic housewife at best with NO EXPOSURE to the real world or a VERY manipulative, disgusting, pedophilic mullah

U have just taken the wrong meaning of everything...and what u have said is not worthy of having been answered.what do u mean by 'u literally having no idea about the real world'? SO what u're trying to say is that all that bad going around in the world is because of Islam?

 

[teachyourself]

Khansa Bint Khidam said “My father married me to his nephew, and I did not like this match, so I complained to the Messenger of Allah (May Allah bless him and grant him peace). He said to me “accept what your father has arranged.” I said “I do not wish to accept what my father has arranged.”

He said “then this marriage is invalid, go and marry whomever you wish.” I said “I have accepted what my father has arranged, but I wanted women to know that fathers have no right in their daughter’s matters (i.e. they have no right to force a marriage on them). (Fathul Bari Sharah Al Bukhari 9/194, Ibn Majah Kitabun Nikah 1/602)

WRONG, no excuse for this chauvinistic crap
1.if she was underage she should NOT have been married off in the first place
2. if she was an adult then the male guardian has NO right to dictate terms of marriage or otherwise
how can you not see that it is simply WRONG to take away someone's right to choose, intervention should not have been necessary

secondly this hadith is not taken into consideration by ulema because it is a weak hadith some even claim it to be false, they also claim that such issues are domestic matters and should not be brought to islamic courts, rendering the choice of the female(child or adult) to be nulfied, this "domestic matters" argument also applies to the matters of marriage
so in a system like islam, where people can pick and choose hadith to justify their personal whims, anything can be used to justify monstrous acts the same way you are justifying marrying underage children whereas more moderate muslims say no and reject the hadith of aisha having been 9 years old, similarly other even more liberal muslims say homosexuality is okay in islam, then there those who do not even allow women to drive or talk to men without a mehram, some say let people leave islam others say kill them, the list of inconsistencies goes on and on

each school of thought calling the other untrue, so who is to decide who is correct? it just goes on to show islam is not workable as a system

and democracies of the modern world do not argue over issues of chopping off hands, punishing homosexuals/bisexuals, punishing pre-marital sex, having slaves, child marriages, renouncing religious affiliation, etc because they are civilized and have already decided upon such matters not that religious nuts aren't there but they are truly a minority because the fundamentals of judiasm and christianity in terms of legal significance have simply been rejected

 

[teachyourself]

If people are doing wrong does'nt mean the religion is wrong..this life is just a test and each and everyone who has caused others pain and made them suffer will be punished.

this was to make you realize that the idiotic idea of "a parent would want what is best of her/his child" does not hold in the real world

and a system like islam, that takes away the right of an individual to choose as an adult and as a child, has no place in a civilized world

people are doing it wrong because islam ALLOWS it when you TAKE AWAY an individual's Right to Choose you are essentially making them slaves who must obey your command

how can you not see that this is wrong? it simply should not be done

the safe guards/conditions of islam do not matter, it does not work as a system

and the sentiment "they will be punished" is a pathetic excuse to not try and solve the problem

 

[teachyourself]

U have just taken the wrong meaning of everything...and what u have said is not worthy of having been answered.what do u mean by 'u literally having no idea about the real world'? SO what u're trying to say is that all that bad going around in the world is because of Islam?

stop using the age old excuse of "you have taken it out of context" if you cannot answer the practical application regarding the problems i presented with your position, then again you are too young

what i mean by "you have literally no idea of the real world" is that you have no exposure to the real world, no experience of the real world, no experience with regarding to earning a living, no experience with raising a child, no experience with talking to/helping someone who was forced to marry young, no exposure with regards to solving issues that require compromise (school work vs TV does not count), no understanding of society's dynamics as to how islam is used for barbaric acts because it allows it

the fact is you cannot see anything wrong with an adult having sex with a child

you have no comprehension of what it can do to a child, apart from death by internal bleeding due to sexual intercourse, the invasion of privacy by sexual intercourse and the lasting psychological damage it can have, children do not have the brains to be able to handle such interactions, even if they were they would not have the exposure required very much in the same way you have no exposure

all you have done is evaded arguments that you cannot answer, use rhetoric, use primitive sentiment of "they will be punished", instead of addressing any of the issues with your position but then again that is entirely your problem

and no, everything is not wrong in this world because of islam but islam is incompatible with the modern day civilized world

which civilized world allows marrying a child? having slaves? punishing homosexuals? chopping off hands? punishing non-marital sex? killing because you change a religion? or killing because you criticize a religious text? NONE of the civilized parts of the world allow this but islam as a system DOES so it is incompatible with the modern day civilized world

these things should not be allowed regardless of the so called "safe guards/conditions" in islam and the sentiment "allah will judge them" is NOT a bloody solution, it is a pathetic excuse for being lazy

 

[teachyourself]

why do u use metaphors in your writing, to give more meaning to it so as to provide a better picture and to add to the beauty
God patronizes us in the Quran. He knows we are only limited to understanding certain things, and that is what he utilizes. So of course the Quran has to give 7th century people something to reflect upon. Its like me trying to explain the theory of relativity to a 2 year old. I am going to sound like I am 2 year old and I am going to avoid using bigger words and complex topics. Right?

not to mention that comparing an entire society to a 2 year old is simply wrong

but when we explain complex concepts to children analogies are used NOT metaphors

and it is not only the metaphors but the general unnecessarily unclear wording used, the contradictions, the illogical order, where as it claims it is simple to understand, a statement which itself is a contradiction

 

[teachyourself]

aren't extremophiles made up of water? whats the problem

nope all life is made of carbon, no carbon no life, you can have all the water in the world but if there is no carbon then there is no life, first carbon then boding with other elements, then once basic compounds are made, then amino acids and fatty acid vesicles, then protocells, then chelators allow for RNA .. so, no carbon no life

 

[teachyourself]

after looking at your blatant support for a monstrous act like child marriage, i was compelled to re-read a few of the earlier points you made in order to try and understand as to how it is possible for someone to be so brainwashed by their dogmatic beliefs, so i responded to these earlier posts

1.) The scope of Science includes only things we can detect, observe, measure, or verify
2.) We cannot detect, observe, measure, or verify things outside of space-time (matter, energy, time) such as God
3.) Therefore God is not within Science's scope

This is a deductive argument. This means that if first 2 premises are true, the conclusion must logically follow. If you reject premise 1, you are being unscientific as that is widely accepted by philosophers and scientists alike. If we cannot detect observe, measure, or verify something, then how can we run scientific experiments on it? If you reject premise 2, you are again not being faithful to the scientific evidence as everything that we have verified exists in space-time (matter,energy, time). I cannot think of any intellectually honest way to reject premise 2 while being faithful to the scientific evidence. So once premise 1 and premise 2 are established, premise 3 must logically and necessarily follow thereby making God beyond science's scope. In conclusion, we should not be surprised that there is no scientific proof of God.

you just reinforced the fact that god cannot be detected so he cannot be proven, so he in-fact does not exist

logical arguments will prove nothing only evidence leads to proof

1.) The scope of Science includes only things we can detect, observe, measure, or verify
2.) We cannot detect, observe, measure, or verify things outside of space-time (matter, energy, time) such as God
3.) Therefore God is not within Science's scope

What about the argument that science in the future will progress and be able to find things outside of space-time, like matter/energy/time? With the fact that science cannot account for things beyond matter/time/energy which exist only in the universe (because humans can only observe/measure/detect/verify things in our universe), then a scientific viewpoint has no answer to the question of whether God exists and no definite future answer can be determined. It would be like having the hope that science would be able to find a round square in the future. It is logically impossible for a round square to exist.

science might or science might not.. it is only conjecture .. right now vacuum produces something out of nothing, so it is still being experimented with

god as per your definition is nothing more than a figment of your imagination, so he is not real, what cannot be proven to exist does not exist

 

[Muzammil ahmad]

Teachyourself ,why are you wasting your time here ???
When you know, no one here will believe you..Just quit
Rather than wasting your time here and telling everyone stupid facts , when you can't even prove your stupid atheist facts...
You are just wasting your time, telling people there is no God just because you can't see one..

 

[Muzammil ahmad]

Let people follow what they love!
You atheists can't prove creation, giving irrelevant facts...